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I’m finalizing a new torch design: Spearfishing light of entry-level torch for starters and as backup light…
The wish-list of features is very long so we decided to design 2 or 3 models: small, medium, large… this is the little one 🙂
This is designed for trouts: good penetration in low visibility and a decent corona to spot the fish and keep it in vision but without the need of using the beam.
Before going to production i would like some feedback from you guys.
Price in the shops should be around 998kr including batteries, charger and plastic case for transport.
This time i have to admit that i have proudly copied the switch from the Chinese designs… is just too good! Simple to use, of easy maintenance and totally waterproof…. so for once the parts are inverted 😆
Ciao!
Torch Model: Ragnarök 1000
Lumen: 1002 lu (EU lumen :woohoo: )
Beam/optic: penetrating center-beam plus corona / alu reflector
Body: aluminium marine grade (no lead alloy) with double o-ring on both sides
Battery tube with rubber grip
Switch: magnetic slide switch: power output can be adjusted seamlessly. The slide can be easily removed for cleaning if you fill it up with sand :S
Batteries: 2×18650 2200 mAh (optional 2×18650 3400 mAh Panasonic)
Battery-time need to be verified but it should be ~2h @ 100% ( 3h with panasonic cells) and 2,5-3 h at fishing level.
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Very nice initiative.
Here are some thoughts.I agree fully with the slider – I have it on one of my Chinese lights and it is very preferable to the ring.
Ship it with a few extra sliders just in case. I think you can get them OEM, as I have seen more than one light use the same.Also, even though it may cost slightly more in machining time, I’d say one place to improve on most China lights is in the weight department. They are simply just often too crude and heavier than need be. I really like lights that weigh as little as they can. If you aren’t going to market it to tri-mix deep divers then you could shave off quite a bit of material, I reckon.
It could also be done with a bigger diameter battery tube – then people can also upgrade to 2 x 26650 or just use spacers to use it with 18650. That would maybe also make the light nicer to hold for longer durations of time. I am thinking that with a thin battery tube, you need to closer your hand a bit more whereas with a bigger one, it falls naturally in your hand and you don’t need to clench it much.In some torch fan circles they often talk about the need of a torch to be able to stand on its tail. Dunno if anyone would need that at home, but with the current design, this one can’t.
Just my two cents for now.
Good luck with it!
Shooter & Shooter - Fotograf & Spearo
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BTW, many of the 2-cell chargers only charge at 0.5A which would then mean a Pana 3400 would likely take more than 7 hours to charge. Some chargers do 1A and I have found one which does 2A (getting good reviews on its charging profiles), but not sure you can package it with the torch and keep your price point.
Maybe a good 1A charger is the sound compromise.D.
Shooter & Shooter - Fotograf & Spearo
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Looking good. It would be nice if someone finally could make a flashlight in that pricerange that will keep what it promise, and last more then 6 month’s use!
My main feedback is to make it plain and sturdy and long lasting. Forget about 3300 lumen and 28 different settings. I just wan’t a light that lights when I turn it on 😉 (preferably with a nice evenly spread beam)How about some accessories, I am very happy with the goodman handle, and mabye a neoprene sleeve?
Also, remember to make an in depth maintenance guide that in simple steps explain how to take care of the product.Do you have any ETA for the first lights?
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It could also be done with a bigger diameter battery tube – then people can also upgrade to 2 x 26650 or just use spacers to use it with 18650.
Fully agree that the possibility to use 26650 batteries would be preferred.
Is there a particular reason, why it is not already designed for this?Besides, it is a great initiative. Good luck from me as well!
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I can see that the “wishlist” we did is meeting your ideas..
The main constraint is the budget of the end user and that is why we have decided to go for 3 different models: from the “simple” 1 LED in the pictures to the supercharged version with 3000 lumen and 4 hours battery time at 100% power 👿
The middle model will be with 2×26658 (and can be used with 2×18650 of course) but will also have 1800 lumen.
The Big One is 3000 lumen and 4-8-12 cells 18650 (modular tube) so one can choose his own battery time/weight/cost…
Chargers: Geko is right but you should consider that a fast-charge will also fast-deteriorate the battery…. is a matter of comprising. Maybe an optional charger sold separately can fulfil the needs of the people that need a fast charge.
The rubber cover is on the body but can’t be on the head: i need it free to cool down the LED…
Accessories: yes… all the lot… from Best Divers!
Cheers!
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Nice torch, but i think you should loose the rubber on the grip and just go for a knurled alugrip instead. Rubber plus water = slippery when wet.
Also a a goodman handle or something similar would be a nice addition, so you have the possibilty to use both hands while still being abel to direct the light -
Nice torch, but i think you should loose the rubber on the grip and just go for a knurled alugrip instead. Rubber plus water = slippery when wet.
Also a a goodman handle or something similar would be a nice addition, so you have the possibilty to use both hands while still being abel to direct the lightThat is why we have commissioned the mold and parts from a company that make motorbike handles… we have samples and are not slippery at all.
Anyway the goal of the rubber is not the grip:
– better thermal insulation of the battery (not much but better than nothing)
– no sounds when handled with gloves while a knurled tube make a nasty scratchy noise
– more comfort out of the water in winterGoodman handle is already available as accessory from our Best Divers catalogue.
Thanks for all comments guys!… now is pighvar time! 👿
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I’m looking forward to seeing this range of torches, if I should suggest a feature I’d really like then it would be an indicator light giving me an idea of how much juice is left. I assume it won’t slowly dim like any old regular flashlight, and that means I can’t economize with the power when I notice I’m running low, so an indicator would be much appreciated.
Another feature I appreciate on my 876 is that it doesn’t really have a corona, it fades smootly from the hot spot to the spill with no clear distinction between the two, so I can choose exactly how much light iI need on the fish without having to pick the spill or the corona.
One question about the switch, is it correctly understood that the light output can be increased or decreased gradually and not in steps? If so, that would be awesome, especially if it could work in relation to an indicator. -
Hi Mace. The medium and large models will probably be a linear discharge controller exactly for the reason you mention.
A battery indicator in a 998 kr torch is hard to fit and the LD controller is the obvious solution for the larger torches… a flashlight geek would never forgive me this but for spearfishing i really like the idea of a torch that will start slowly to reduce power after 3 hours at 100% and then still work for 4 hours more reducing slowly without sudden step-down…I’m just now ended a dive with the 1800 lumen prototype and after 2h 30′ is still fine 🙂 nice light and nice pighvar. ..
The beam of the medium torch is more as you say, while this little one is a trout-light with higher penrtration in dirty water and the beam must be concentrate to reduce fog-effect…
Ciao!
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Hi Mace. The medium and large models will probably be a linear discharge controller exactly for the reason you mention.
A battery indicator in a 998 kr torch is hard to fit and the LD controller is the obvious solution for the larger torches… a flashlight geek would never forgive me this but for spearfishing i really like the idea of a torch that will start slowly to reduce power after 3 hours at 100% and then still work for 4 hours more reducing slowly without sudden step-down…I’m just now ended a dive with the 1800 lumen prototype and after 2h 30′ is still fine 🙂 nice light and nice pighvar. ..
The beam of the medium torch is more as you say, while this little one is a trout-light with higher penrtration in dirty water and the beam must be concentrate to reduce fog-effect…
Ciao!
I think you need to upload a picture of the turbot. You know.. to prove that the torch works. 😛
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in terms of battery indicator and though I know it will cost a bit of programming time and probably more components, it could be done via the driver chip. A special combination of button presses could be made to make the torch blink its battery level. Say four blinks for full, three for 3/4s and so on.
Maybe for the mid-range version this could be doable.I also totally agree on the instructions for proper maintenance. You could consider shooting some small videos showing how to service different parts and then just host the vids on your site.
D.
Shooter & Shooter - Fotograf & Spearo
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in terms of battery indicator and though I know it will cost a bit of programming time and probably more components, it could be done via the driver chip. A special combination of button presses could be made to make the torch blink its battery level. Say four blinks for full, three for 3/4s and so on.
Maybe for the mid-range version this could be doable.I also totally agree on the instructions for proper maintenance. You could consider shooting some small videos showing how to service different parts and then just host the vids on your site.
D.
Maybe “The Big One” will have a piezo switch as actuator but i am still waiting for some test we are making in Italy by some friend that is also a professional diver: no problem in ordinary “Danish” conditions but we need to test is at -100m or more…
Piezo switch are very reliable as watertightness but may became hard to switch with high external pressure… and i prefer to test the manufacturer datasheet 😉The kind of method you mention is working well for torches with inbuilt battery pack but for a torch where the user can replace the cells with different brands/capacity and even type and voltage (2xCR123 for example), it will need a different kind of processor that understand what is facing and that can choose between the different discharging curves.
We have tested the two first prototypes of the large electronic (one constant current and one linear discharge) and i should say that i liked most the LD version: Mace consideration is right on my opinion.
During the test we have started the torch at 100% output: While with the CC version the torch drain all the juice of the battery before suddenly go black in around 2,5 hours, the LD started to reduce power slowly and the reduction started to became visible after 2 hours and keeped a perfectly “fishable” light level for almost 4 hours… and that with only 32W battery…. our plan is to have a torch where you can add 32W+32W+32W modules so you can have a battery time of 8/12 hours or “Fishing level” :woohoo:
Of course that CC circuits will give you 100% output at all times but on my opinion this is not what a spearo needs.
Adding power management systems like the more expensive torches is the solution for CC drivers but the cost/benefit factor can be discussed.We are not trying to make torches for demanding scuba divers or tech divers (for tech divers, the WiseDive is by far the best you can ever dream about… and more stuff is boiling in Gilleleje pots 😉 ), but we try instead to make a high quality, functional, affordable and no-nonsense spearfishing light.
After 2,5 years as Production Manager in the factory that make the best lights in the world i have got some experience about diving lights and, together with Torben, we are quite sure that we can make a real good light for the Danish spearos. :cheer:
Ciao!
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From the sound of it I’ll probably end up investing in an 1800lm version, I can’t wait till they hit the market.:)
What will the retail price be, around 2k or so?
I forgot to mention, I really like the concept of replaceable batteries, that way I won’t have to cancel a dive due to a torch that isn’t charged, and it’s easier to replace batteries instead of having to recharge from a car mid-hunt, thus getting more time in the water.PS, Lamberto, how are things looking regarding the line cutters we talked about, have they landed yet?
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Started OEM production yesterday…. first units will reach Denmark in 2-3 weeks :woohoo:
The 1800 model will have a target price of around 1800kr in the shops.
Consider that when you increase the lumen output you will also need to increase number of LEDs (or install a more powerful model), rise the forward current, install larger batteries, use larger optics, increase overall body dimensions and so on…. around 1-1,2kr per lumen is a close indication for a good quality spearfishing flashlight.
The line cutter will arrive sometime next week…
Ciao!
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…. I need a new float too and might as well have everything shipped together.
And if you have not got a float yet… wait a few weeks more… it will be absolutely worth all the waiting time! I can’t say more but if we manage to get our ideas produced, the “ultimate float” will see the light in a very short time… can’t say more 😉
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The “ultimate float” by this teaser, you have to tell/show us more :woohoo:
We all like the Okipa line but at time is a bit on the limit as it is designed for Mediterranean conditions where the current is not strong (they think is strong but only because they have not dive in Denmark!).
My design points where:
1) Large enough to REALLY help to swim for long stretches even in strong current and without getting too tired
2) I want to seat on top if I want to rest, fix gear or just take look around
3) Should be used at night so need to have reflective tapes around and a good place for the light
4) Can carry spears without losing them
5) Integrated fish stringer plug point so you can fix the stringer quickly and safely
6) Proper holding bag for extra gear
7) Lobster net integrated that can be easily used with one hand
8) A nice “Hydration bag” to keep drinking water and be able to drink from the tube without effort.
9) Shoulder straps and places to fix all gear on the float and use it as backpack for walking to the water.Last but not least: it should be VISIBLE! The orange floats are actually not visible at all in the sea… i have been sailing solo on my catamaran for more than 15000 seamiles and i have hit all sorts of floatsome in the ocean… black is the only colour that you can really spot from far in any conditions of light: the float will be “Mean-Black” and will look really “DeltaForce” 👿
The new-born Raganrök Sub is growing on the Italian drawing table but the float is a 100% local project… i hope to get the first few samples made by next month.
P.S. price… i guess around 800kr (?) excluded lobster net, holding bag and spear strips that will be available as accessories to fully customize the float.
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Nu kommer jeg, ligesom Lamberto, jo også fra Helsingør – og jeg har faktisk fået taget et spionfoto af Lamberto.
Ignorér farverne, det er alene for at forvirre – men her er Lamberto altså ude for at se om den nye float fungere:
Efter sigende hænger der 2 flotte skrubber under båden – og man kan faktisk næsten ikke mærke den modstand de laver i vandet!
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[quote=”Mace” post=21436]…. I need a new float too and might as well have everything shipped together.
And if you have not got a float yet… wait a few weeks more… it will be absolutely worth all the waiting time! I can’t say more but if we manage to get our ideas produced, the “ultimate float” will see the light in a very short time… can’t say more ;)[/quote]
Topper made me an offer I couldn’t refuse, and I ended up with an Okipa Light. After having added shoulder straps, a plastic box for the catch, a couple of reflective strips, a few marker lights and a taller mast I’m well satisfied, but I’m looking forward to seeing your new project.:)
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[quote=”Lamberto” post=21864][quote=”Mace” post=21436]…. I need a new float too and might as well have everything shipped together.
And if you have not got a float yet… wait a few weeks more… it will be absolutely worth all the waiting time! I can’t say more but if we manage to get our ideas produced, the “ultimate float” will see the light in a very short time… can’t say more ;)[/quote]
Topper made me an offer I couldn’t refuse, and I ended up with an Okipa Light. After having added shoulder straps, a plastic box for the catch, a couple of reflective strips, a few marker lights and a taller mast I’m well satisfied, but I’m looking forward to seeing your new project.:)[/quote]
Billeder Mace….billeder 🙂 -
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Mace. I think I know that Okipa Light 😉
Good deal!
Yup, and it’s a damn good float.:)
Kæreste Mace,
det er beundringsværdigt at du er så glad for dit udstyr, at du nærmest sover med det på.
Meeennn – at gå rundt med dit blybælte, der må vi nok sætte en grænse 😛Hey! Man kan sgu aldrig vide hvornår chancen for at hoppe i suppen byder sig, så man kan lige så godt være klar til at rykke…
Men ok, jeg slår da harpunenerne over på “sikret”, og slukker Orbiloc’en når jeg skal sove… 😆 -
Getting into the water and out on the deep of the sea wouldn´t be all that safe if dressed in fishermans cloathing. What if you tip over – having to have to fight back up in the seat, having lost all equipment thas was not secured at the moment?
Just listen to the scary music in this commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRt1c7wZGz8
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Getting into the water and out on the deep of the sea wouldn´t be all that safe if dressed in fishermans cloathing. What if you tip over – having to have to fight back up in the seat, having lost all equipment thas was not secured at the moment?
Just listen to the scary music in this commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRt1c7wZGz8
:SBortset fra musikken, så kan jeg ikke se formålet med videoen? Jeg troede den gav et eksempel på en der røg i vandet. Og vi er vel alle iklædt våddragt og ikke almindeligt fisketøj. Man må tillige formode at alle har surret sine ting fast inden de hopper i baljen.
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Getting into the water and out on the deep of the sea wouldn´t be all that safe if dressed in fishermans cloathing. What if you tip over – having to have to fight back up in the seat, having lost all equipment thas was not secured at the moment?
Just listen to the scary music in this commercial :S
Even if is quite difficult to tip over something like that… the first law of the “Health and Safety Handbook” demonstrate it will happen 😆
For the size i was thinking more to an over-sized Okipa II instead than a down-sized rib boat!
Unfortunately beer and diving don’t really match together because that bellyboat thing is great for refreshment…. imagine it in the warm summer nights, a chilled beer and a chat with your fish buddies sitting comfortably in the sea before turning back home?… just miss a floating fireplace and some sausages on a stick!
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Bortset fra musikken, så kan jeg ikke se formålet med videoen? Jeg troede den gav et eksempel på en der røg i vandet. Og vi er vel alle iklædt våddragt og ikke almindeligt fisketøj. Man må tillige formode at alle har surret sine ting fast inden de hopper i baljen.
nej heller ikke her, flyderinge og pontonbåde har været brugt i snart mange år af lystfiskere, al færden på havet er som sådan farligt, men med rette omtanke fungerer de fint.
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Ready for delivery…. the first batch will reach us next week!
Here is a “blurred” preview… 😉 next week the official presentation with professional pictures!
And the bigger sister has today finished the drawing phase and will go in production next week… 1800 (real) lumen and 3,5-4 hours of battery time!! With a 50mm head and 33mm battery tube will be very handy and easy to use. My guess is that we can see it on the webshop in Christmas at 1790kr or so…
Below a sneak-peek.
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